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Don’t turn up! Big firms bar investors from AGMs

Great to read this article from Patrick Tooher in today’s Daily Mail addressing this important topic (which also kindly quoted me).

You can read the article online: Don’t turn up! Big firms bar investors from AGMs

Limiting the ability for shareholders and members to hold boards to account via online-only (and thus often highly stage-managed) AGMs is bad for governance, and the Financial Reporting Council good practice guide questions the legitimacy i.e. does the definition of “place” include some corner of the internet?

A number of organisations have used the extraordinary circumstances of the pandemic to eliminate the in-person AGM. The argument that virtual-only is more cost effective and convenient for (some) people ignores the potential for Digital Exclusion, but perhaps more significantly, they restrict the opportunity for unfiltered scrutiny and challenge. If organisations were truly focused on convenience and interested in increasing attendance, they would hold hybrid meetings at more suitable times.

It’s one of my concerns with regards to Nationwide Building Society. For an organisation that prides itself on fairness, and being member-owned, a virtual-only AGM held mid-morning on a Wednesday in the middle of the summer holidays is a strange choice.

Only 300 people attended last year, down from in person AGMs in the early 2000s that attracted multiples of that amount. 300 people is less than 0.002% of the 16 million members. If Nationwide can organise hybrid voting, why can’t it organise an hybrid meeting?

The Big Nationwide “Thank You”: £50 for what and why?

Nationwide has announced this week the “Big Nationwide Thank You” – a £50 one-off payment to eligible members. This is entirely separate to the recent annual (but not guaranteed, or clearly defined) Fairer Share Payment.

Specimen Bank of England £50 note

This “thank you” payment is another example as to why members should be more engaged, and members’ perspectives better represented, at a board and senior management level. Members’ should be looking beyond the £50 windfall about to land in their account, and think about whether the figure is right, whether it could have been used in a better way (e.g. better mortgage rates), or should be kept in reserve for future needs given current economic uncertainty and the amounts being spent on the acquisition and integration of Virgin Money.

This is another example of why I am requesting that members nominate me to stand for election to the board of directors of the Nationwide Building Society, so that I can better represent member perspectives.

Why the extra one-off payment?

What is The Big Nationwide Thank You?

On 1 October 2024, we completed the purchase of Virgin Money, becoming an even stronger force in UK banking. This was made possible by the financial strength Nationwide members helped us build.

To say thank you, we’re giving over 12 million of our members £50 each as part of The Big Nationwide Thank You. Over £600 million in total.

What’s the running total for the Virgin Money acquisition?

In effect, Nationwide has now spent the following on the Virgin Money acquisition

Plus, still to come: the costs of integration and restructuring the combined Nationwide Group at an estimated further £1,000 million.

So the cost of the Virgin Money acquisition, given the above, is approaching £5,500 million. Some of that amount might be funded out of future profits of the combined Nationwide Group. But the largest proportion is clearly being funded out of reserves, i.e. members’ equity in the business, as the deal was not financed by debt.

The Virgin Money deal was effectively a large transference of members equity to Richard Branson (via the Virgin Group), and Australian fund management customers, who held a large proportion of the Virgin Money plc stock following the demerger of the Clydesdale and Yorkshire Banking Group (CYBG) from National Australia Bank. And while Virgin Money plc shareholders were able to vote on the deal (to sell their shares at a 40% premium to market value), Nationwide members were blocked from a vote by the Nationwide board.

Thank you payment just raises more questions

I am pleased to see that Nationwide is listening to member feedback, noting the negative comments received from members excluded from the “fairer” share payments in the past. This one-off “thank you” payment is more equitable in it’s distribution to members: the “thank you” payments will be paid to the 70% of all members (12m out of the now 17m), unlike last year’s “fairer share” which reached only 25% of members (4m out of the then 16m).

I hope this is a sign that Nationwide are reconsidering the criteria for the currently annual (but not guaranteed or pre-defined) “fairer share” payment so more members participate in the future distribution of profits. However it’s possible that the implementation of the FCA Consumer Duty regime is driving these changes, after a high volume of complaints from ineligible members who didn’t receive “fairer share” payments.

A number of questions remain:

  • Why is Nationwide doing this, and why now, given the economic climate and lower Group reserves given spending on the Virgi Money acquisition.
  • Were members consulted? It’s clear people are being asked about it _after_ the event via the Member Voice platform.
  • Do management have more certainty around future profits?
  • Will the integration be shorter or cheaper than anticipated?
  • Or is an effort to appease members ahead of breaking some bad news?
  • Or a response to recent criticism about Nationwide increasing credit card interest rates at a time that Bank of England base rates are coming down?

It has been a long standing concern of mine (and others) that the integration of Nationwide and Virgin Money will be difficult, expensive and time-consuming. It is likely therefore that the quality of products and services delivered by the bigger Nationwide Group will suffer, as more management time is spend on integration rather than improvements to the core banking / society operations.

What about the alternatives?

Taking a step back, is making this payment the right mechanism to distribute “extra cash” i.e. pay “dividends” on members “shares” in the building society? Is now the right time to do that?

Making identical payments to eligible (some, not all) members, instead of setting better interest rates, is effectively a transfer of wealth from the most indebted customers (with bigger mortgages) or richer customers (with larger savings accounts) to customers with minimal balances, as eligible members are all receiving the same amount, despite different balances in their accounts.

Further, is a uniform £50 / £600 million total giveaway the right thing to do during a period of significant economic uncertainty? Would it have been wiser to keep this money in reserve?

Or should a building society be focused on offering better mortgage rates instead, during an ongoing cost of living crisis? Wouldn’t that have been a better use of the estimated £5.5 billion of members’ money spent on Virgin Money as per the above?

It is unclear how, or if, the Society has consulted upfront with members on how it is spending the society’s reserves (i.e. members’ equity). It has a habit of doing something first, and then asking / ignoring members afterwards (cf. see recent Member Voice below).

What we do know is that the Society believes it knows better than the membership (that it is supposed to serve, and who ultimately own the Society). This “Thank You” payment serves as yet another example of this, following the Society avoiding giving members a vote on the Virgin Money acquisition last year.

I’d be interested to hear what other members have to say. Comments are open below, or you can email me direct james@james4nationwide.co.uk (or see Contact page for more options).

Why I believe access to the Nationwide member register is needed

Following the announcement to my professional network on LinkedIn regarding next week’s oral hearing, which linked to the text provided by the FCA, one commentator asked me this:

Why do you need access to the full list (lots of personal data), rather than having Nationwide post out your election comms to the members directly?

Question posted on LinkedIn

It’s a great question, and so I have pasted my answer back here, broken into sections with evidence in support of my arguments..

Access to the register is necessary in my opinion (the FCA is expected to determine this after the hearing next week) to secure nominations to be on the ballot, and to raise awareness of my candidacy ahead of it.

If I am nominated, members will then receive an election pack including information about the candidates, which would then include me.

22. Notice of Meetings and Postal Ballots
(a) Any notice of meeting shall:

(v) be accompanied in the case of an election of Directors by any election
address of not more than 500 words or other details concerning the
candidates required by the legislation
;

Nationwide Memorandum and Rules (1 September 2024)

However, turnout for the elections / AGM is very low. Less than 4% of eligible members vote.

The most for and against votes recorded was for Debbie Crosbie:

Votes for 613,561 (96.1%)
Votes against 24,915 (3.9%)
Votes withheld* 7,051

Nationwide 2024 AGM results

Votes for + against = 638,476, which is less than 4% of the 16+ million members eligible to vote.

Member attendance at the virtual only AGM was just 300 people last year. This historically low level of member engagement is the principal reason for my candidacy.

See this extract from the 2024 AGM transcript – where the chairman replies to member’s question on AGM attendance. It’s perhaps worth noting that 2022 was during the COVID-19 pandemic.

How can we justify saying an online-only AGM gets ten times as many
members to join compared with an AGM of the past? He said I mentioned 194
being online today – I did say that indeed, we’re actually now about 300 people
online – yet a physical AGM held at the ICC in Birmingham around 2005 had
around 700 people in attendance.

Question from Mr Castle, a Nationwide Building Society member, at the 2024 AGM

I wasn’t here in 2005 but I’m very happy to take your number, Mr Castle. What I do
know is the last time we invited people to attend in person was in 2022 and we only
had 32 people that turned up in person, apart from our own staff. So back in 2005 we
didn’t have the same options for online meetings as we do now and so we are of the
view that in the current environment, with the better technology that exists now that
wasn’t nearly as good in 2005, this is giving us high attendance for our AGM. So
I hope that explains the difference.

Answer given by Kevin Parry, Chairman of the Nationwide Building Society, at the 2024 AGM

And most members choose to use the “quick vote” mechanism which means the board recommended candidates and resolutions are typically passed at a 95%+ approval rate.

Data from past Nationwide AGM results (2006-2024) shows that the approval rate (blue line, right hand axis on the graph below) has only once dipped below 95% for a board candidate. The number of votes cast however, has been reducing over time (red bars, left hand axis), from over 1.5 million in 2008 to 0.6 million in 2024.

This trend of fewer votes is opposite to the increasing number of members eligible to vote. There are currently 16+ million members of the society – 20 years ago it was 11+ million members , and in 2008 it was 14 million (see corresponding year’s annual reports).

Put another way, member turnout was 1.5 / 14 million = 11% in 2008, whereas in 2024 it was just less than 4%.


I need 250 nominations to be on the ballot, from eligible members.

The bar for nominations was raised 5x (i.e. from 50 to 250) by Statutory Instrument 1999 No. 3032, The Building Societies (Nominations for Directors’ Election) Order (1999), following the various attempts to de-mutualise the building societies in the 1980s and 90s. [Nationwide came close at the 1997 AGM, when Resolution 3 “To take steps to convert to PLC status” was defeated by just 33,710 votes (For: 1,101,887 votes, Against: 1,135,597 votes), i.e. 49.25% for vs. 50.75% against the resolution.]

31. Nomination for Election of Directors
(a) Any individual who will be at least 18 years of age at the date of election and is not
prohibited by law from being a director may be nominated for election as a Director.
(b) A nomination for election as a Director may be made by 250 qualified two year
members
. The nomination must:

Nationwide Memorandum and Rules (1 September 2024)

The eligibility criteria and nomination process make it difficult, arguably impossible, to find the right members, in sufficient volume, through other methods.

It’s perhaps worth noting that, as per the graph below:

  • Directors of the society were elected to three year terms until 2011, now Directors have to be re-elected every year. (Red bars below show successfully elected Board Appointed Directors.)
  • There hasn’t been a single Member Supported candidate on the ballot since 2005. (Yellow bars signify unsuccessful Member Support candidates)
  • The last Member Supported candidate to be successfully (re-)elected was in 2001 (Green bars) – this was Paul Twyman, who served on the board of the Anglia (pre-merger) and Nationwide for 20 years.
  • Board Appointed candidates have been unseated by successful Member Supported candidates in the past as part of a competitive election (Blue bars): Michael Holloway was unseated by Sheila Heywood in 1988; and Sir Leonard Peach was unseated by David English (a former Nationwide manager who was made redundant) in 1993. Learn more about the Member Supported candidates in my post: Rebels with a cause: Standing on the shoulders of giants.

More info here on the criteria, form etc: james4nationwide.co.uk/nominate

Please don’t hesitate to contact me directly if you would like to discuss further.

Recent governance changes at Nationwide

Following the AGM last summer, and the completion of the Virgin Money acquisition in October, it’s worth noting a few recent changes from a governance perspective.

  1. Updated Memorandum and Rules of the society
  2. Nationwide Group now includes Virgin Money following completion of the acquisition
  3. Changes to the Nationwide board

Updated Memorandum and Rules of the society

The updated Memorandum and Rules have now been published on the society website with an effective date of 1 September 2024. Pages 4-10 of the Notice of AGM 2024 explained the changes. I have archived a copy of the previous version of the Memorandum and Rules (published 1 September 2020) for members who wish to compare the two.

At a later date I have it in mind to map the evolution of the rules since the society was formed.

Nationwide Group now includes Virgin Money following completion of the acquisition

The Virgin Money acquisition was completed on 1 October 2024, as confirmed in this note from the chairman. The interim financial reporting for the 6 months to 30 September was published on 26 November 2024 – with separate reports published for Nationwide building society (results, presentation), Virgin Money UK plc (results) and Clydesdale Bank plc (results). It is my understanding that Virgin Money UK plc and its subsidiaries are now subsidiaries of Nationwide, and in effect the board of Virgin Money now reports to the board of Nationwide (which governs the society, and so the enlarged group as the acquirer).

Around the time the acquisition completed, Chris Rhodes took over as CEO of Virgin Money, with David Duffy leaving the group. As a result, Muir Mathieson was promoted to CFO of Nationwide – he was previously Deputy CFO and Treasurer.

Many of the headlines following the publication of the interim results highlighted the higher than forecast gain from the acquisition (£2.3bn vs £1.5bn) e.g. Nationwide’s £2.3bn takeover gain prompts criticism of Virgin Money bosses (The Guardian). However the Daily Mail/This Is Money drew attention to Nationwide’s £650m support for Virgin Money i.e. members’ equity was used to increase the capital strength of Clydesdale Bank, a subsidiary of Virgin Money UK.

I await the results for the year ending 4 April 2025 with interest, anticipating these will show the consolidated position for the group, and may set further expectations regarding the integration.

Changes to the Nationwide board

Some new directors have been appointed to the board. As is customary, it is expected that these members will stand as candidates for election at the 2025 AGM. You can learn more about these individuals on the Board and Executive Committee section of the society’s website

  • Muir Mathieson, Chief Financial Officer (6 September 2024)
  • Anand Aithal, Independent Non-Executive Director (appointed 1 October 2024)
  • David Bennett, Non-Executive Director (appointed 14 November 2024) – also serves Chairman of Virgin Money UK and Clydesdale Bank

Chris Rhodes has left the board of Nationwide (after serving over 15 years), as he vacated the Nationwide CFO role to become the CEO of Virgin Money (appointed 1 October 2024)

The chairman, Kevin Parry, is now the longest-standing director of the board. He was appointed 23 May 2016, so is approaching the end of his nine year appointment, unless this is extended.

3.6 Appointments to the Board shall ordinarily be for a period of up to nine years, provided the director still meets the criteria for membership and is re-elected by the Society’s members. However, if there is a compelling commercial imperative, the nine year period may be extended for a limited time.

Nationwide Building Society Board Terms of Reference

Tracey Graham, the Senior Independent Director of Nationwide, has also joined the board of Virgin Money as a Non-Executive Director (appointed 23 January 2025).

I am compiling a history of the changes to the board composition of the society as part of my research. I will share this once it is complete.

Rebels with a cause: standing on the shoulders of giants

Pictured: Shelia Heywood presenting a cheque on behalf of Nationwide to Buxton Mountain Rescue in 1989

As I canvass for nominations to support my own candidacy to stand for election as a Director of the Nationwide building society – I am naturally drawn to research those that have attempted this before.

Finding information on the who, when and why has proven an interesting research project.  The online mutual society register maintained by the FCA has some big gaps in its records – I have requested that more are digitised.  The society doesn’t maintain a large online archive of AGM results and minutes, annual reports etc. Few online news archives go back before the year 2000 (before the internet went mainstream).

Since 1980, I have only identified three candidates who were successfully elected to the board after receiving the requisite member nominations:

  • Paul Twyman – elected to the board of the Anglia building society after several attempts and considerable activism. He served on the Anglia board from 1982, joining the Nationwide board at the merger in 1987 and continued serving until 2002.
  • Sheila Heywood – elected after several attempts, who served on the Nationwide board 1988 until at least 1993. She was one of the first female directors of the society.
  • David English – a former Nationwide manager who was made redundant the year before and I believe was elected at the first attempt. He served on the Nationwide board 1993 to 2002.

Note that all three served at the same time for a period from 1993 until Shelia Heywood stepped down.

I have also identified several candidates that secured sufficient nominations to be entered on the ballot at AGMs but did not receive sufficient votes to be elected.
[NB the following list may not be complete for the period 1992-1997 as I do not have a complete list of AGM voting results – entries for 1992 and 1993 were gleaned from newspaper reports filed at the time.]

  • Vivian Singh (1992-93)
  • Ben Jacobs (1992-93)
  • Michael Hardern (1998)
  • Andrew Muir (1998, 2001-02)
  • Alan Debenham (1999-2005)
  • Tim Tanner (2002-03)

I’m now searching to fill a gap in my research that picks up from where Michael Cassell’s book “100 years of Nationwide” leaves off and recent records (mostly online) begin.

FT article: What does it mean to be a building society member?

I am grateful to Akila Quinio who quoted me in this Financial Times piece published today regarding Building Society membership: What does it mean to be a building society member? (2 August 2024)

She asked me three questions given I am running for election to the board of Nationwide: my full answers are below.


If you’d like to support my candidacy, it’s a 3 minute task to complete a one page nomination form.

1. What are the benefits of being a member?

The mutual structure means that as a member you are a customer and an owner of the society – there are no shareholders. Membership therefore means the society should be solely focused on delivering the best outcomes for members in terms of the products and services it offers, and members have the opportunity to determine how the society is run and governed. Mutuals are an important competitive force and are a check and balance on the shareholder-owned financial services industry. (See separate article on this topic: “Why mutuals matter“.).

2. How much power does it give you?

Membership power is limited to what is enshrined in the memorandum and rules of the society, and to what is protected by law, primarily under the Building Societies Act (1986). In theory, members can change the rules of their society, call and attend general meetings, propose and vote on resolutions, nominate and elect board members. Over time, the democratic power of the mutual “one member, one vote” governance model has been steadily eroded (See how voting at the Nationwide building society has changed over time: “Why I believe access to the register is needed.”)

3. And are there any drawbacks?

The degree of influence that the membership has on society affairs is dependent on how active the membership is – if members are passive, and don’t exercise their powers, the organisation becomes increasingly autocratic. Take the recent Nationwide AGM as an example. There were no alternative member proposed resolutions or alternative board candidates. Voting turnout was less than 4%, and all but one of the resolutions and re-elections were approved at 95% or higher.

If Nationwide was a country (and with 16 million members eligible to vote, it has that scale), that election setup and result would be cause for alarm to any casual observer.


This is why I am seeking nominations from fellow members to stand for election as a director of Nationwide. I want to breathe more life into the membership model – with more members actively engaged. Nationwide is and should remain a mutual that is members owned, but it should also be run and governed accordingly. This is important for Nationwide, but also for the benefit of everyone in the UK, given its position as the largest mutual and the second largest mortgage provider.

A healthy, engaging and competitive Nationwide means better banking for all.

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